On dropping the World of Warcraft prefix

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On dropping the World of Warcraft prefix

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Now that I've got your attention...

The main discussion on wiki gem categories is Forum:Gem type categories.

I'm putting this as a new category almost entirely for the (hoped for) shock value.

Proposed
Keep or toss the "World of Warcraft" prefix on gem item categories

The currently proposed scheme would have a set of categories named (eg):

* World of Warcraft inventory items
o World of Warcraft gems
+ World of Warcraft epic gems
+ World of Warcraft socketable gems
# World of Warcraft red socketable gems

The current consensus for tossing the prefix would result in:

* World of Warcraft inventory items
o World of Warcraft gems
+ Epic gems
+ Socketable gems
# Red socketable gems

On the keep side is the argument of consistency with other 'item' categories.

On the toss side is the argument that items in those categories are exclusive to the World of Warcraft game, and so no confusion can exist about the category. (Other opinions rail against having the prefix anywhere, but that's an argument that I'm not looking to restart here... yet.)

Unless a consensus, a powerful argument, or fiat is made in favor of retaining the prefix all the way down, I will assume that the shorter names are acceptable. I would recommend commenting and voting in the original forum, but feel free to comment here as well. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks sort of like a vote, but not really. Assuming I'm not supposed to use {{vote}}...

I'm of the opinion, we need some sort of category naming guideline (maybe could add to WW:MOS), "When naming categories, avoid repeating descriptive terms in descendant categories. Repeating the relevant noun may be necessary." So rather than having an "inventory red socketable gem item" category, you just have "red gems" where red is the lowest adjective in the tree, and you can deduce that the page is also an "inventory item", a "gem item" and "socketable" by looking at the category tree. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 6:30 PM, 29 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Please make an official separate vote (that's why we have a policy for it). I don't like it getting mixed up with the gem stuff. They are completely separate topics. Also, send a message to Kirkburn asking him if he's okay with cutting ALL the "World of Warcraft..." prefixes for items, since I believe he was one of the main proponents (I was opposed). See for the historical background.
On a side note, since the pro-"World of Warcraft..." folks were too lazy to setup a policy vote or even add a guideline justifying their position, an actual policy change isn't needed to rid ourselves of these category prefixes. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:36 PM PST 29 Jul 2009

Agreed we probably need a vote. But I'd rather the vote was more encompassing (I think the guideline idea was so we could refer back to it, when this comes up again because it will). I'd rather there be a vote to generally avoid repeating descriptive language (often adjectives but not necessarily) in sub categories. So that would apply to post fixes and pre fixes, like when "XYZ items" is repeated for 3 sub-categories, which just seems redundant. But I'd want to stress, people can use judgement. I'm sure it wouldn't be 100% of the time, that's why a "guideline" vote seemed like a good idea.

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