Devil worshippers in Horror at Redhook

General Topics and Introductions

Moderators: mgmirkin, Moderators

User avatar
nortonew
Lurking Fear
Lurking Fear
Posts: 215
Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:02 pm
Location: Barren, frozen, wastelands

Devil worshippers in Horror at Redhook

Post by nortonew »

I recently happened across a religion that I had never heard of before called Yezidism. It is a rather strange religion because they worship an entity that is basically the Christian, (and Jewish and Muslim), devil, but they are nothing like satanists. They basically believe that Lucifer is a good angel that had a falling out with God in the past but patched things up. They worship the devil because they believe that he is the most important angel and that God himself doesn't need to be worshipped because he is too good and beyond such things.

They call Lucifer the "Peacock Angel" and believe he is good and benevolent.

Lovecraft referred to the Yezidis in his story The Horror at Redhook. In that story, a group of them were assisting an evil sorcerer. He refers to them as "Kurds, who before their deportation were conclusively found to belong to the Yezidi clan of devil-worshippers".

It seems that HPL had heard of the existence of this religion but didn't have a full understanding of their beliefs. Unfortunately, he apparently accidentally maligned this religion with his assumption that "devil worshipping" automatically indicated that they were evil.

Its a very strange religion. Here are some links to some more info on it if anyone is interested:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/asia/sby/index.htm
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Yezidi
User avatar
Lagwolf
Haunter of the Dark
Haunter of the Dark
Posts: 419
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:41 am
Location: London, UK
Contact:

Post by Lagwolf »

I wrote a story called Yazidis Needed all about em www.shoggoth.net/article.php3?story_id=258

So you say I know a wee bit :D Needless to say the fundies in the area would like to see em' killed and thus they suffer rather badly.
User avatar
bill
Neophyte
Neophyte
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:23 am
Location: missouri
Contact:

religion

Post by bill »

One of the most interesting debates on several theology sites between both scholars and students is if Satan was the seventh angel of God and basically just handed all of the "dirty work" - the temptation of Christ etc. The only agreement from what I have read is that Satan once had access to God but a second debate continues as to if he still has access or was banished with Semjaza and a number of wayward angels. However in the Dead Sea Scrolls it's fairly clear that there is a difference between the term- devil and the name Satan. The DSS designates the term devil for the angels who mated with human females and gave birth to the Nephilin. It was the archangel- Michael who banished Satan with a flaming sword. It is not clear if his banishment came or coincided with that of the fallen angels. Those who await judgement do so at a place called Dudael. Another interesting part of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the listing of the "evils" that the fallen angels taught man. They include both reading and writing.I'm currently writing a novel on the final war between man and the nephilin with a twist on the legend of vampires tossed in to make it interesting.
User avatar
Adrian
Primordial Evil
Primordial Evil
Posts: 603
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:24 am
Location: Estonia

Re: religion

Post by Adrian »

bill wrote:One of the most interesting debates on several theology sites between both scholars and students is if Satan was the seventh angel of God and basically just handed all of the "dirty work" - the temptation of Christ etc. The only agreement from what I have read is that Satan once had access to God but a second debate continues as to if he still has access or was banished with Semjaza and a number of wayward angels. However in the Dead Sea Scrolls it's fairly clear that there is a difference between the term- devil and the name Satan. The DSS designates the term devil for the angels who mated with human females and gave birth to the Nephilin. It was the archangel- Michael who banished Satan with a flaming sword. It is not clear if his banishment came or coincided with that of the fallen angels. Those who await judgement do so at a place called Dudael. Another interesting part of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the listing of the "evils" that the fallen angels taught man. They include both reading and writing.I'm currently writing a novel on the final war between man and the nephilin with a twist on the legend of vampires tossed in to make it interesting.
Well the name Satan comes from around the 10th century, Lucifer wasn't a bad guy until the popes decided they needed someone to threaten the peasents that didnt want to turn to God voluntarily. To reside on the Bible to debate on the origins of Satan is worthless because the Bible has been re-written for Europe after the Jews lost control of it and God became something international.
"I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit." - - - Childs
Jesus Prime wrote:You sure love your pudding.
Jesus Prime wrote:ADRIAN LOVES PUDDING
User avatar
nortonew
Lurking Fear
Lurking Fear
Posts: 215
Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:02 pm
Location: Barren, frozen, wastelands

Post by nortonew »

Actually, I think referencing the Bible is sort of necessary in trying to trace the history of Satan/Devil/Lucifer/Etc. However, from what I've read it seems likely that the Christian Devil is an amalgamation assembled from many sources over a long period of time. So, you need to look at the Bible, but you need to look at a lot of other stuff too.
User avatar
Adrian
Primordial Evil
Primordial Evil
Posts: 603
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:24 am
Location: Estonia

Post by Adrian »

European peasents had the horned being as a fertility god so as Chirstianity moved on they made him the bad guy and so it pretty much happened.
"I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit." - - - Childs
Jesus Prime wrote:You sure love your pudding.
Jesus Prime wrote:ADRIAN LOVES PUDDING
User avatar
Lagwolf
Haunter of the Dark
Haunter of the Dark
Posts: 419
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:41 am
Location: London, UK
Contact:

Post by Lagwolf »

Well one of the versions of Satan you see in Christian literature is actually Pan or in some cases the Green Man.
User avatar
Adrian
Primordial Evil
Primordial Evil
Posts: 603
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:24 am
Location: Estonia

Post by Adrian »

Who represent fertility and the cycle of seasons, not flames or evil-looking goblins :)
"I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit." - - - Childs
Jesus Prime wrote:You sure love your pudding.
Jesus Prime wrote:ADRIAN LOVES PUDDING
magickal_mari
Mi-Go Brain-Bait
Mi-Go Brain-Bait
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:27 pm
Location: Heaven
Contact:

RE: Satan

Post by magickal_mari »

I have been wondering the same things requarding Satan & Re: You can not just look at The Dead Sea Scrolls.
I investigated Satan ect... If you go to The Church Of Satan he is a She. Yes confused? I was!! Satan to a lot of Satanists is a She aka The Goddess or aka The God. Looking just at the dead sea scrolls is nothing go talk to a Satanist.


The Devil is evil only if you wish to perceive her that way. The very word is derived from "Devi," the Hindu mother goddess who assumes the incarnation of Kali, Durga, Parvati, Ganga, Lakshmi and other Goddesses. She is the beneficent Mother of all beings. In fact, every name that has ever been associated with the devil is the name of an ancient god or a word that constitutes some aspect of divinity. The old gods did not die - the church fathers simply threw them into hell and they became devils. http://www.goddamngod.20megsfree.com Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." This Bible verse was also originally written in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word for Evil also has several other meanings. Evil also means natural disasters and other calamities such as disasters, plagues, massive financial losses, droughts, instead of just meaning wrong-doing.


Originally the ancient Hebrew religion maintained that evil came from God, as punishment for man’s evil misdeeds; but a crisis in the Hebrew faith made it necessary to change the doctrine. History Of Hell "In the King James Version of the Bible, the Hebrew word sheol and Greek word hades (two very different concepts) are both generally translated as Hell." http://www.religioustolerance.org "A word which appears to have come from the Old English hel meaning 'concealed'. Hell as a place of everlasting torment appears to have been an invention of the earlyChristians, perhaps a misunderstanding of the esoteric ABYSS which figures in Qabalistic texts and in the ancient mystery wisdom.
User avatar
Adrian
Primordial Evil
Primordial Evil
Posts: 603
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:24 am
Location: Estonia

Re: RE: Satan

Post by Adrian »

magickal_mari wrote:I have been wondering the same things requarding Satan & Re: You can not just look at The Dead Sea Scrolls.
I investigated Satan ect... If you go to The Church Of Satan he is a She. Yes confused? I was!! Satan to a lot of Satanists is a She aka The Goddess or aka The God. Looking just at the dead sea scrolls is nothing go talk to a Satanist.

Nothing strange there because even Crowley stated that Baphomet (wisdom) has both sexes and many Satanists believe that before the man-oriented Christianity butted in the religious system was mainly matriachic.

The Devil is evil only if you wish to perceive her that way. The very word is derived from "Devi," the Hindu mother goddess who assumes the incarnation of Kali, Durga, Parvati, Ganga, Lakshmi and other Goddesses.

Hard to see how medieval monks travelled to India to get the name of their goddess to fit with their newly-born Satan.

She is the beneficent Mother of all beings. In fact, every name that has ever been associated with the devil is the name of an ancient god or a word that constitutes some aspect of divinity. The old gods did not die - the church fathers simply threw them into hell and they became devils.

Satyrs, the Green Man, basically every former god that did too much sex on his free time, when he wasn't wearing horns, that is.

http://www.goddamngod.20megsfree.com Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." This Bible verse was also originally written in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word for Evil also has several other meanings. Evil also means natural disasters and other calamities such as disasters, plagues, massive financial losses, droughts, instead of just meaning wrong-doing.


Originally the ancient Hebrew religion maintained that evil came from God, as punishment for man’s evil misdeeds; but a crisis in the Hebrew faith made it necessary to change the doctrine. History Of Hell "In the King James Version of the Bible, the Hebrew word sheol and Greek word hades (two very different concepts) are both generally translated as Hell." http://www.religioustolerance.org "A word which appears to have come from the Old English hel meaning 'concealed'. Hell as a place of everlasting torment appears to have been an invention of the early Christians, perhaps a misunderstanding of the esoteric ABYSS which figures in Qabalistic texts and in the ancient mystery wisdom.
"I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit." - - - Childs
Jesus Prime wrote:You sure love your pudding.
Jesus Prime wrote:ADRIAN LOVES PUDDING
magickal_mari
Mi-Go Brain-Bait
Mi-Go Brain-Bait
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:27 pm
Location: Heaven
Contact:

RE: Devil

Post by magickal_mari »

Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
This Bible verse was also originally written in the Hebrew language.
The Hebrew word for Evil also has several other meanings.

Evil also means natural disasters and other calamities such as disasters, plagues, massive financial losses, droughts, instead of just meaning wrong-doing.
User avatar
bill
Neophyte
Neophyte
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:23 am
Location: missouri
Contact:

some info on the big S

Post by bill »

During the Middle Ages Satan acquired his familiar attributes in folktale–his hooves, his sulfurous odor, his horns, and, paradoxically, his polished, gentlemanly manners. Much of his appearance and many of his actions, however, can be traced back to the pre-Christian deities of Europe, such as the two-headed god Janus and a variety of Panlike nature and fertility deities. The Christian elaboration of the figure of Satan, fueled by the Dominicans and the papal bull of 1484, probably reached a peak during the 15th, 16th, and 17th cent.
User avatar
Lagwolf
Haunter of the Dark
Haunter of the Dark
Posts: 419
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:41 am
Location: London, UK
Contact:

Post by Lagwolf »

What Bill said...
User avatar
Adrian
Primordial Evil
Primordial Evil
Posts: 603
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:24 am
Location: Estonia

Post by Adrian »

Anyway, as nortonew pointed out that sect it is easy to see how even today people understand Christian Mythology their way and create organisations for their purposes. In my opinion only braindead or very confused persons take up that movement.
"I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit." - - - Childs
Jesus Prime wrote:You sure love your pudding.
Jesus Prime wrote:ADRIAN LOVES PUDDING
User avatar
bill
Neophyte
Neophyte
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:23 am
Location: missouri
Contact:

Post by bill »

To be honest I've become confused lately on the issue. The more research I do while trying to weave the new book together-the more mixed up everything becomes. I might just re-write the entire mythos of the nephilin and Dudael over my own way. Trying to piece together the scattered fragments of the book of Enoch and the dead sea scrolls is nearly impossible. Too much of the information is at odds with itself and when it isn't it contradicts the writings in the bible. I always thought that the word apocalypse means the ending but it does not. It's of latin origin and signifes a revelation.
Post Reply