Tattoos, anyone?

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:02 pm

I was actually comparing them to Donnie Darko, who was being compared to Lovecraft.

Adrian · Post by **Adrian** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:37 am

Comparing Buffy to Darko is inane. If you would know anything about DD or atleast bothered to educate yourself on the subject before debating on it then maybe the topic would not have been dragged down.

JJ Burke · Post by **JJ Burke** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:24 pm

did i read this wrong? i thought acooljt was responding to my comment about the many attempts to emulate the mythos style of fiction.. citing buffy & angel as examples of painfully popular mediocrity.

on the scale of coolness, i have donnie darko much closer to the mythos end of the spectrum.

buffy is just a bubblegum-goth-kung-fu soap opera that somehow 'evolved' from a 1992 slapstick comedy. angel is a spinoff of that spinoff. the target audience for both seems to be pubescent wiccans... let's not even get into 'charmed'

if the comparison here is between donnie darko and these tv shows, i have nothing to say that wouldn't be obvious and condescending.

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:26 pm

Dr Seuss and H.P. Lovecraft have more in common than Donnie Darko and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:29 pm

LOL, Jesus, I was comparing Buffy/Angel as being closer to Lovecraft than Donnie Darko.

And I seem to be the old one here who is educated in the whole spectrum. I've seen Donnie Darko and educated myself in it(by listening to you guys and reading websites) and I've followed Buffy/Angel for a long time and have watched several full seasons of both. And if you had watched those shows, you'd know that it's much more than you describe it and their target audiences are far wider than what you have said. Hell, my 47 year old dad was the one who got me hooked on both shows because he was a fan of them. If you ever met the fans of these shows, you wouldn't find a way to classify all of them into one category.

JJ Burke · Post by **JJ Burke** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:09 am

it's true that i've never seen an entire episode of buffy or angel. but over the years, i've probably watched more than 100 minutes of them in 2-3 minute increments.

acooljt, can you explain the parallel appeal you find between the works of lovecraft and whedon? this is not to be judgmental; i am genuinely curious about your point of view.

i suspect this is all a matter of taste, and there's no need for us to draw inferences about who's 'educated' in what subject.

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:58 am

Speaking of Seuss and Lovecraft...

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:14 pm

It's obvious in his writing. Lovecraft's ideas on time, realms, The Great Old Ones, all of them are used by Whedon. In the Buffy/Angel world, it is almost an exact parallel as to what's described in The Call of Ktulu. That the world was once ruled by demons and they were waiting for the day when they could rise again(obviously it goes more in depth than that, but most of that is explained in the earlier seasons where I'm currently watching Season 5 of Buffy). But Whedon uses Lovecraft's ideas far beyond just the time travel.

JJ Burke · Post by **JJ Burke** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:53 am

so if i understand correctly, you are more interested in subject matter than style.

when i watch one of those shows, i am usually distracted from the story by consistently smarmy and verbose repartee among the main characters.

it's kind of hard for me to feel an atmosphere of unearthly dread when the heroine wears hip-hugger jeans in a kickboxing philosophy debate against a guy in vampire makeup...

but that's just me. it obviously doesn't ruin the fun for everybody.. if you enjoy it, that's all that matters.

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:32 am

I think you'd be a bigger Angel fan. The atmosphere on Angel is much more dramatic.

Also, the very reason Joss does that is because he wants to incorporate comedy too. He doesn't like to limit himself to a genre, he likes to incorporate horror, drama, comedy, etc. in all of his shows. And the fact that you don't take the time to sit down and enjoy and entire episode shows that you don't really even know anything about it.

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:38 am

The only good thing about either series is the theme tune for Angel.

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:35 pm

Yeah, I agree, it's a killer song. So I looked up the band that did it, and their music is completely different than that song. Weird.

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:01 am

I keep meaning to download it, but I'm lazy.

Acooljt · Post by **Acooljt** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:09 am

Welcome to the club

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:40 am

Wait, am I not the one who does the welcoming round here?