What do you guys think of the whole 9-11 conspiracy stuff?

TheEdge · Post by **TheEdge** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:23 am

What do you guys think of the whole 9-11 conspiracy stuff?

www.theresistancemanifesto.com

Are they nuts? or just Bolts?

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:37 pm

Meh I think the conspiracy is pretty moronic, why would the U.S. bomb their own major center of trade? People say it was a a hidden ploy by the government to wage war on Afghanistan in order gain access to their oil fields...why this isn't a bad argument, the reality is that the was is practically destroying the United States economy, decreasing the overall value of American currency to a level not seen in decades. All I can say is if this was a plan to make billions it sure backfired terribly, but perhaps its more of a long term solution...which is pretty ridiculous when you consider that democracy is a constantly changing process. I can understand how people could believe these theories back in 2001 or during the opening days of the war, but not now.

decadence · Post by **decadence** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:29 am

The only credence I lend to the Tin Hats is this:

What was the PURPOSE of the Twin Towers?

Every Military financial transaction we make as a nation, went through both towers.

Note also, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was literally what kick-started the Vietnam War, and since then, Israel has admitted openly to staging that attack so that we would go into Vietnam for the resources we "surely" would gain.

If a country would do that back then, they would do it again. Since it isn't a state secret how Israel loses her panties over anything regarding Muslims, this is not a shock to me.

Do I think it was a U.S. Government Conspiracy? No. I think it was a fareign power that instigated all this, and some of our people were involved for their own personal gain.

This is not orwellian, or anything new. It is human nature at work. They just got away with it this time.

I will now rest my case.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:34 am

The US is hardly a monolithic entity. The military-industrial complex is making a killing from the "war on terror". Hardly anyone expected to occupations to go this badly and they have placed US military assets in nice places, geopolitically speaking. Plus Operation Northwoods is a documented (though unimplemented) plan that shows that governments (not just the US government, I'm sure) are willing to take minor collateral damage to advance larger goals and "a new Pearl Harbor" was explicitly hoped for by the government pre-911. A couple of buildings, a section of the Pentagon and a couple of thousand people are acceptable losses in the big picture. And there is general weirdness about the whole thing, like the slow Air Force response times, Building 7 etc.

Then again, I've heard of no solid evidence. Until something new comes up, I think the conspiracy theories should be explored with both an open mind and a very large dose of healthy skepticism.

TheEdge · Post by **TheEdge** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:00 am

This is some of the info they give on why it happened, isnt this strange to have all these errily similar wargames going on before the attack?

Tripod II
US Department of Justice and City of New York
Rudolph Giuliani's testimony to the 9/11 Commission, May 2004

biowar exercise in New York City scheduled for September 12, 2001

CIA / National Reconnaissance Office "plane into building" exercise
Associated Press, August 21, 2002

simulation of a plane crash into the NRO headquarters (near Dulles Airport, Virginia) - this was not a "terrorism" exercise but it did result in the evacuation of most NRO employees just as the "real" 9/11 was taking place, making it more difficult for the nation's spy satellites to be used to track the hijacked planes

Vigilant Guardian
Aviation Week & Space Technology, June 3, 2002, Newhouse News, others (these articles are reproduced below)

The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was "part of the drill" or a real world event.

Northern Vigilance
Toronto Star, December 9, 2001

Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada." This ensured that there would be fewer fighter planes available to protect the East Coast on 9/11. Simulated information was fed into radar screens - is this what confused the air defenses that morning?

TheEdge · Post by **TheEdge** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:02 am

911scholars.org

decadence · Post by **decadence** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:25 am

I think that everyday citizens are the conspiracy, unwitting, though they may be. They are ignorant, apathetic, and moronic, and this feeds the machine they secretly detect in every facet of their wasted lives.

Slavery is only slavery when the slave is aware of their chains.

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:52 am

Deep man....Deep! Wait what are we talking about again? Something about potato salad?

Enkil · Post by **Enkil** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:43 pm

9/11 was a ploy to instate the [un]Patriot Act, diminish the UC Economy and USD to around the level of the Canadian Dollar and Mexican Peso, establish the North American Union (spp.gov), and get the New World Order a strong foothold.

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:22 pm

Its so simple...no wait its ridiculously complex

lovecraft518 · Post by **lovecraft518** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:20 pm

um...who cares, really?
lol

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:28 pm

I agree, as long as I have the sweet taste of a McDonald's big mac, mhm good!

decadence · Post by **decadence** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:45 am

Mold happens.

lovecraft518 · Post by **lovecraft518** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:58 am

Mickey Dee's is icky D:

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:57 pm

Mc Ds' is the shit, I used to hate it but now I oh so love it...I still believe its best in small doses though.