Cult of Cthulhu bible

[darrick]

but to assume that faith overrides all else is equally inhuman and reprehensible.

exactly.

inhuman and reprehensible is my goal.


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[Draconis]

Well, that would be chaos, I guess.. I've yet to understand how its useful, though, or even desirable.

[darrick]

evil is useful; it's progress.

what motivates you, mother teresa?


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[Eternities End]

what motivates you, mother teresa?

Yah, who else would?

[JJ Burke]

i find motivation is often the first sign of impending disappointment

[Jesus Prime]

The second sign is action.

[Draconis]

evil is useful; it's progress.

what motivates you, mother teresa?
VS

Self interest, and by extension the interest of those I care about. And I tend to see entropy and chaos as working against those interests.

[darrick]

i find motivation is often the first sign of impending disappointment

that sounds interesting, can you elaborate...

Self interest, and by extension the interest of those I care about. And I tend to see entropy and chaos as working against those interests.

i'm motivated by exactly the same things. entropy is unfortunately the name of the game. it is the fundamental law of our universe. and god (the one that most humans recognize as god) is a hateful being, or group of beings, that is hostile to mankind. i'm trying to break away from the suffering of life, to escape. and i do this with the help of the Old Ones. sometimes progress doesn't look so pretty.

by the way, Cthulhu Cult has recently been uploaded onto Amazon.com. feel free to take a look. it's more expensive on there just because there's a middle man, Ingram Distributors or someone. so buying it from lulu or me is a few bucks cheaper (plus i make $9 profit insead of amazon's $3).

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[JJ Burke]

i find motivation is often the first sign of impending disappointment

that sounds interesting, can you elaborate...

ok.. all ultimate disappointments share certain characteristics, having traversed certain limbs and branches of the tree before ending at one particular anticlimax. but here's one path that includes an element of motivation:

example occurrence of inspiration

• 1. get an idea - no big deal, ideas are free
  2. like the idea - 'maybe i should do something with this idea...'
  3. motivation - 'i want to do something with this idea.'
  4. convince self - 'this is the right idea for me!'
  5. dedicate self - 'i will make this idea work!'
  6. discover true power of idea - 'what do you mean so what??!?'
  7. repeat steps 3-6 with increased vigor, as many times as necessary
  8. boost cynicism and stifle creativity - 'i find motivation is often the first sign of impending disappointment'

so in this technical schematic, the first sign of disappointment is really the idea itself. however, it's not practical for me to apply judgments of foresight at that basic level, where uncounted thoughts and impressions pass through my field of consciousness at any given moment.

by step 2, this field is greatly narrowed by the criteria of my personal interest - however, my interests are ecclectic and ephemeral, so it's still not feasible to ask of each thing, 'what might i do about this?'

having been through this cycle enough times, i am starting to recognize step 3 when it happens. now, any time i say to myself, 'i want to do something with this idea,' i also ask myself, 'so what?' and usually i have no answer for that, because the answer invariably includes some investment of time and effort

..wait, did you want me to elaborate, or belabor?

[Draconis]

i'm motivated by exactly the same things. entropy is unfortunately the name of the game. it is the fundamental law of our universe. and god (the one that most humans recognize as god) is a hateful being, or group of beings, that is hostile to mankind. i'm trying to break away from the suffering of life, to escape. and i do this with the help of the Old Ones. sometimes progress doesn't look so pretty.

Same ends, different means.. I guess we're nearly polar opposites in some ways. The only force I have seen that works against entropy is life, so I value life very highly.. and the only gods there are, are the ones I choose to make for myself, the ones that I can make my reality to conform to. To value life is by definition to value diversity, and I think that's what drives me to the old ones - they are so very different from me. I immerse myself in their aura because they are so alien in so many ways, but they are life just as I am and that bond allows me to lose any fear of them, even to love them.

Its funny.. I think there is, in most people's minds, a diametric opposition between the vastly alien nature of such things and their concepts of love and beauty.. I can't help but rejoice in aligning these concepts of my own with the alien things.

[krakenten]

Explore, if you will, the religion of Thelema.
Founded by the depraved, bisexual, drug addicted pornographer and charlatan, Aliester Crowley(nee Alexander Edward, he changed it to add up to 666 in numerology, his favorite occult doctrine, then complained bitterly in later years that people would, 'add up my name to 666').
Despite Crowley's pathetic life story-born to a large brewery fortune, he managed to squander his money, be deported or excluded from almost every country in Europe and alienate everyone he ever met-and his squalid death in a cheap rooming house, dope sick and abandoned, Thelema still exists.
I have met communicants of this cockamamie faith, and a rare old crew they are, too.
What a strange world this is.

[Jesus Prime]

wait, did you want me to elaborate, or belabor?

Belaborate.

[Draconis]

Explore, if you will, the religion of Thelema.
Founded by the depraved, bisexual, drug addicted pornographer and charlatan, Aliester Crowley(nee Alexander Edward, he changed it to add up to 666 in numerology, his favorite occult doctrine, then complained bitterly in later years that people would, 'add up my name to 666').
Despite Crowley's pathetic life story-born to a large brewery fortune, he managed to squander his money, be deported or excluded from almost every country in Europe and alienate everyone he ever met-and his squalid death in a cheap rooming house, dope sick and abandoned, Thelema still exists.
I have met communicants of this cockamamie faith, and a rare old crew they are, too.
What a strange world this is.

Interestingly enough, I am actually pretty good friends with the first minister of the london chapter of the church of satan. He's a lovely chap, and does a lot of good.

That aside, though, IMHO crowley was a nutjob. Incidentally.. I noticed you lumped 'bisexual' in with 'depraved, drug addicted pornographer and charlatan'. Do you associate the former with the latter, or is that just me being overly sensitive? Apologies if the latter is the case.

[krakenten]

A lot of people are less than thrilled by the concept of bisexuals.
Doesn't bother me, but it isn't thought of as any great distinction by a significant chunk of the population.
I had an article on Crowley rejected by an editor who said the thought of bisexuals was revolting.
Being different is a hard road to travel(I'm a Vietnam vet, and I know the feeling)and I'm a tolerant sort, myself.
Had Crowley been simply double gaited, nobody would have noticed.
But it adds to the package, if you follow my meaning.
You seem to be a reasoning and well informed person, a rare example of someone on line with a gracious set of good manners, and your sexual orientation is your own business-I'm always glad to read your posts.
But, yes, you're being a little oversensitive.
As to Crowley's sanity, it's open to question, considering the mess he made of his life.
My late wife, God rest her soul, made a similar mess out of her life(and mine, too), I think for similar reasons.
It comes down to anger towards God, for the loss of a beloved father.
Crowley seemed to be driven to sin as much as he could, to spite God.
Not long before she died, my wife told me, "I made a mess out of my life, I think I was acting out a tantrum because God wouldn't give me my Daddy back.
"That doesn't excuse me for my drinking, I did that, but now I know why, and when you put my bipolar disease in there too, well, what do you expect?"
Crowley's life was a tragedy of wasted gifts-so was hers.
It makes me sad.

[Draconis]

A lot of people are less than thrilled by the concept of bisexuals.
Doesn't bother me, but it isn't thought of as any great distinction by a significant chunk of the population.

Well, quite.

I had an article on Crowley rejected by an editor who said the thought of bisexuals was revolting.

Well, I guess you're gonna run into that now and again. But revolting as in worse than gays or... ? Just curious.

Being different is a hard road to travel(I'm a Vietnam vet, and I know the feeling)and I'm a tolerant sort, myself.

Good to know

Had Crowley been simply double gaited, nobody would have noticed.
But it adds to the package, if you follow my meaning.

I do indeed. Its amazing he had any audience at all given the number of people he probably alientated himself from

You seem to be a reasoning and well informed person, a rare example of someone on line with a gracious set of good manners, and your sexual orientation is your own business-I'm always glad to read your posts.
But, yes, you're being a little oversensitive.

Yah, I kinda thought as much too when I read it back to myself. Sorry 'bout that And thankyou for saying nice things

As to Crowley's sanity, it's open to question, considering the mess he made of his life.
My late wife, God rest her soul, made a similar mess out of her life(and mine, too), I think for similar reasons.
It comes down to anger towards God, for the loss of a beloved father.
Crowley seemed to be driven to sin as much as he could, to spite God.
Not long before she died, my wife told me, "I made a mess out of my life, I think I was acting out a tantrum because God wouldn't give me my Daddy back.
"That doesn't excuse me for my drinking, I did that, but now I know why, and when you put my bipolar disease in there too, well, what do you expect?"
Crowley's life was a tragedy of wasted gifts-so was hers.
It makes me sad.

Mm. I guess people do a lot of things out of anger against god, at the seeming lack of reason in the universe. And yet one might argue that that is why deity-constrcuts come to be in the first place - to explain the lack of reason. A curious thing, that. And yes, it makes me sad too. Anyone whose life becomes clouded with such things so much that they cannot be happy, well.. the world is a sad place at times. I suppose that that is another part of the reason for my philosphical proclivities regarding the dark and alien things.. if those things that supposedly bring chaos and destruction, and are supposed to be feared and thought of as hideous, if they can bring me joy, then it is harder for the world to throw anything at me that will truly cloud my life with the opposite.