Shoggothim

Rhan_Tegoth · Post by **Rhan_Tegoth** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:21 pm

First of all, I am not convinced that "Cthulhu" derives from any existing word.; HOWEVER-I should like to point out that in fact it sounds Suspciously semetic. Moreover the words "shoggoth","shub niggurath"[derived from *Sheol Nugganoth*], and "yog sothoth" have hebrew-like endings and possibly hebrew origin. It always seemed to me that HPL was trying to invent a language, albeit a semitic language. Yet he never attended college so regretably he never aquired the necessary linguistic techniques that say Tolkien used to construct new languages.

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:14 pm

These beings didn't name themselves within the Lovecraft world, ancient scribes did. Yog Sothoth for example has ties with ancient egypt and the Hebrew population...So my guess is that most of the Great Old ones were named mostly by crazy jewish scribes and scholars. The word Shoggoth is prolly like that out of coincidence or because it sounds cool...

Rhan_Tegoth · Post by **Rhan_Tegoth** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:41 pm

Eternities End wrote:These beings didn't name themselves within the Lovecraft world, ancient scribes did. Yog Sothoth for example has ties with ancient egypt and the Hebrew population...So my guess is that most of the Great Old ones were named mostly by crazy jewish scribes and scholars. The word Shoggoth is prolly like that out of coincidence or because it sounds cool...

Nonsense; Lovecraft made this all up and you know it

. I realize you're joking but the subject of my post was a serious inquiry.But I really have to wonder how Lovecraft, being as antisemitic as he was, managed to pick up on hebrew phonology.In fact, nearly all the names he gave his deities and creatures look like they might very well be hebrew derived except Nyarlathotep, which is botched egyptian.

Eternities End · Post by **Eternities End** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:25 am

I dont know man, Lovecraft was a pretty smart guy...its highly probable of him picking up hebrew some were along the line, plus some of the names he prolly just pulled out of his ass

E.A. Lovecraft · Post by **E.A. Lovecraft** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:01 am

"Semitic" refers to several cultures and languages present in northern Africa and the Middle East (including Arabic). Only the term "anti-Semitic" refers to Hebrews specifically.

I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet the sound features pointed out in this thread are present in the other Semitic languages (since they share a common linguistic ancestor), thus making their presence in Al Azif a bit more authentic.

That or Lovecraft just got lucky when he pulled them out of his ass.

Yog-Sothoth · Post by **Yog-Sothoth** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:19 am

Bullshit, Its all AssPull, and if it isnt Asspull, then the guys who made the language are AssPullers.

infact, Everything is Asspull! the Bible is Asspull, the Declaration of Independence is AssPull, the Ten Commandments are AssPull! EVERYTHING IS ASSPULL! Even you are Asspull, especially if Arnold Schwarzenegger is your mother.

JJ Burke · Post by **JJ Burke** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:39 am

where'd you get that idea?

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:15 am

The bear told him.

odin2 · Post by **odin2** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:54 pm

Yog-Sothoth wrote:Bullshit, Its all AssPull, and if it isnt Asspull, then the guys who made the language are AssPullers.

infact, Everything is Asspull! the Bible is Asspull, the Declaration of Independence is AssPull, the Ten Commandments are AssPull! EVERYTHING IS ASSPULL! Even you are Asspull, especially if Arnold Schwarzenegger is your mother.

That explains alot....

Jesus Prime · Post by **Jesus Prime** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:36 pm

Yes, but about Yog.

tsathoggua · Post by **tsathoggua** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:32 pm

You know if you read
That is not dead which can eternal lie etc. etc. we all know it...
In hebrew the strange aeons bit is yaji ash-shuthath sounds suspiciously like yog-sothoth to me...

The Dunwich Thingamajig · Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:10 am

Well, Yog-Sothoth is supposed to be the key and the gate, one with time and space...so, perhaps its a reference to his bubbly self.

tsathoggua · Post by **tsathoggua** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:47 pm

Thats what i thought