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The Lovecraft Indians

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:05 pm
by Rhan_Tegoth
I heard by word of mouth from a suquamish man by the name of Thundercloud that H P Lovecraft was influenced by the native americans. I honestly dont know enough about Native American mythology to stipulate on whether(or not) he used their ideas for his stories; but what I really wonder is if he ever made referrence to them in his letters and (non-fictional)writings.I havent seen any evidence that he ever met a Native American in person-even though they may still have been a few left in that part of the country. What I have come to understand though is that as much as Lovecraft disliked non-whites, he seemed to have a more favorable view of Native Americans and aboriginal peoples in general.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:22 am
by Eternities End
Whats that one guy whos like a giant Yeti?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:06 am
by E.A. Lovecraft
Eternities End wrote:Whats that one guy whos like a giant Yeti?
Ithaqua: the Windwalker (aka the Wendigo)

Re: The Lovecraft Indians

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:21 am
by E.A. Lovecraft
Rhan_Tegoth wrote:I heard by word of mouth . . . that H P Lovecraft was influenced by the native americans . . . . What I have come to understand though is that . . . he seemed to have a more favorable view of Native Americans and aboriginal peoples in general.
Algernon Blackwood was influenced by them, at least enough to use the Wendigo, an old Algonquin mythological figure, as the basis for one of his stories. August Derleth later took it one step further and made the Wendigo a Great Old One named Ithaqua.

I suspect that Lovecraft was neither influenced by American Indians nor prone to admire them. He was a racist bastard, though apologists will just say it was a sign o' the times. I can't recall any specific instance of his use of their culture (besides place names) in his stories, but considering the way they were looked down upon as somewhat mystic primitives during Lovecraft's lifetime, they would have been ideal for use in many a Mythos tale.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:36 am
by Rhan_Tegoth
Lovecraft certainly was racist. But I have to wonder if he ever met a person of color in his life. Because based on his writings it seems his racism stems primarily from ignorance. However, he very well might have made an exception for the Native Americans...

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:16 am
by Eternities End
Yah lovecraft sure didn't like black people, and mexicans, and asian...

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:46 pm
by JJ Burke
i would like to read a story about hpl working in an auto upholstery shop in tijuana. somebody write that, and i'll read it

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:03 pm
by Rhan_Tegoth
JJ Burke wrote:i would like to read a story about hpl working in an auto upholstery shop in tijuana. somebody write that, and i'll read it
Um...Why

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:38 pm
by Jesus Prime
Never ask "why?", anywhere. It'll ruin your life. Ask "why not?".

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:14 pm
by Eternities End
Yah negitive Nancy...shit...plus that would be a sweet story...I would like to see one were hpl works on a sugar plantation in Virginia to pay of his depts

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:20 pm
by Rhan_Tegoth
I would like to read more Lovecraft stories period. Ive just about read them all but its such a shame that no of all these Mythos writers come close to being as good as H P Lovecraft.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:29 pm
by JJ Burke
have you read all this stuff yet?
have you read my story?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:33 pm
by E.A. Lovecraft
Rhan_Tegoth wrote:its such a shame that no of all these Mythos writers come close to being as good as H P Lovecraft.
R.E. Howard came close.

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:52 pm
by Eternities End
Yah he wasn't bad...Derleth wasn't too far off too

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:01 pm
by krakenten
Derleth wrote a series of detective stories about Solar Pons, who was Sherlock Holmes, thinly disguised.
They are quite good-they were reissued in the '70's in paperback.